Some Common Sense About the HPV Vaccine

It should tell you just how loony the Christopath right is when a conservative Texas governor gains admission to the Coalition of the Sane (for the time being, anyway). How did Texas governor Rick Perry do it? By mandating that schoolgirls receive the HPV vaccine, and that the state subsidize the vaccinations. From the AP:

Some conservatives and parents’ rights groups worry that requiring girls to get vaccinated against the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer would condone premarital sex and interfere with the way they raise their children.
By using an executive order that bypassed the Legislature, Republican Gov. Rick Perry — himself a conservative — on Friday avoided such opposition, making Texas the first state to mandate that schoolgirls get vaccinated against the virus.
Beginning in September 2008, girls entering the sixth grade will have to receive Gardasil, Merck & Co.’s new vaccine against strains of the human papillomavirus, or HPV.
Perry also directed state health authorities to make the vaccine available free to girls 9 to 18 who are uninsured or whose insurance does not cover vaccines. In addition, he ordered that Medicaid offer Gardasil to women ages 19 to 21.
Perry, a conservative Christian who opposes abortion and stem-cell research using embryonic cells, counts on the religious right for his political base. But he has said the cervical cancer vaccine is no different from the one that protects children against polio.
“The HPV vaccine provides us with an incredible opportunity to effectively target and prevent cervical cancer,” he said.

However, theological conservatives are claiming that this vaccine interferes with their parents’ ability to raise their children as they see fit–nevermind that there’s an opt-out clause. They think women should be at risk for cervical cancer because some religious yahoos are afraid they can’t control their kids without the fear of death. Pathetic. And worse, murderous.

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15 Responses to Some Common Sense About the HPV Vaccine

  1. Ben says:

    Even if they don’t agree with having consensual sex before marriage or whatever, they should think about their daughter getting raped. Well then she would worry about getting cancer the least, but heck why risk it?
    Or are we in Iran where the woman is guilty for being raped?
    My goodness, it’s just protection… Those people freak me out.

  2. Jennifer says:

    Or what about a married woman whose husband cheats, gets the virus, then gives it to his wife? Or perhaps the wife is guilty of making her husband cheat and therefore deserves to get a virus that could give her cancer? Sheesh, the vaccine makes perfect sense to me, it’s disgusting that anyone opposes it.

  3. A thought on the opt-out clause: They don’t like it because if you deliberately refuse to get your daughter vaccinated and then she gets cervical cancer down the road, she will remember that you took steps to prevent her from preventing the disease. And blame you.

  4. Ben says:

    So she is supposed to blame the government for not forcing her parents to vaccine her…

  5. llewelly says:

    This is very good news, but this is a sexually transmitted disease, and women are only half of the story. To get a strong ‘herd immunity’ effect, the boys need to be vaccinated too.

  6. Ben says:

    Actually that’s not true. Boys wont get it, so they wont be vaccinated.
    Simple is it? Treat people who need to be treated. It is like pregnancy. I cant get that, so I wont take the Pill.
    Hepatitis is something I can get, so I use a cute little rubber hat. Btw: There are more people dying from Hep than from AIDS.

  7. Attack Rate says:

    Ben – that’s false. Males can indeed get HPV. While it obvioulsy doesn’t cause cervical cancer, it can cause rectal cancer in men who have anal sex, and it has been associated with other cancers, which men can also get.
    Besides which, in being vaccinated you are protecting your partner/s.

  8. llewelly says:

    Actually that’s not true. Boys wont get it, so they wont be vaccinated.

    It has been shown time and time again that males are carriers. as is clearly implied by the phrase ‘sexually transmitted disease’.

  9. stickdog says:

    The Facts About GARDASIL
    1. GARDASIL is a vaccine for 4 strains of the human papillomavirus (HPV), two strains that are strongly associated (and probably cause) genital warts and two strains that are typically associated (and may cause) cervical cancer. About 90% of people with genital warts show exposure to one of the two HPV strains strongly suspected to cause genital warts. About 70% of women with cervical cancer show exposure to one of the other two HPV strains that the vaccine is designed to confer resistance to.
    2. HPV is a sexually communicable (not an infectious) virus. When you consider all strains of HPV, over 70% of sexually active males and females have been exposed. A condom helps a lot (70% less likely to get it), but has not been shown to stop transmission in all cases (only one study of 82 college girls who self-reported about condom use has been done). For the vast majority of women, exposure to HPV strains (even the four “bad ones” protected for in GARDASIL) results in no known health complications of any kind.
    3. Cervical cancer is not a deadly nor prevalent cancer in the US or any other first world nation. Cervical cancer rates have declined sharply over the last 30 years and are still declining. Cervical cancer accounts for less than 1% of of all female cancer cases and deaths in the US. Cervical cancer is typically very treatable and the prognosis for a healthy outcome is good. The typical exceptions to this case are old women, women who are already unhealthy and women who don’t get pap smears until after the cancer has existed for many years.
    4. Merck’s clinical studies for GARDASIL were problematic in several ways. Only 20,541 women were used (half got the “placebo”) and their health was followed up for only four years at maximum and typically 1-3 years only. More critically, only 1,121 of these subjects were less than 16. The younger subjects were only followed up for a maximum of 18 months. Furthermore, less than 10% of these subjects received true placebo injections. The others were given injections containing an aluminum salt adjuvant (vaccine enhancer) that is also a component of GARDASIL. This is scientifically preposterous, especially when you consider that similar alum adjuvants are suspected to be responsible for Gulf War disease and other possible vaccination related complications.
    5. Both the “placebo” groups and the vaccination groups reported a myriad of short term and medium term health problems over the course of their evaluations. The majority of both groups reported minor health complications near the injection site or near the time of the injection. Among the vaccination group, reports of such complications were slightly higher. The small sample that was given a real placebo reported far fewer complications — as in less than half. Furthermore, most if not all longer term complications were written off as not being potentially vaccine caused for all subjects.
    6. Because the pool of test subjects was so small and the rates of cervical cancer are so low, NOT A SINGLE CONTROL SUBJECT ACTUALLY CONTRACTED CERVICAL CANCER IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM — MUCH LESS DIED OF IT. Instead, this vaccine’s supposed efficacy is based on the fact that the vaccinated group ended up with far fewer cases (5 vs. about 200) of genital warts and “precancerous lesions” (dysplasias) than the alum injected “control” subjects.
    7. Because the tests included just four years of follow up at most, the long term effects and efficacy of this vaccine are completely unknown for anyone. All but the shortest term effects are completely unknown for little girls. Considering the tiny size of youngster study, the data about the shortest terms side effects for girls are also dubious.
    8. GARDASIL is the most expensive vaccine ever marketed. It requires three vaccinations at $120 a pop for a total price tag of $360. It is expected to be Merck’s biggest cash cow of this and the next decade.
    These are simply the facts of the situation as presented by Merck and the FDA.
    For a more complete discussion on GARDASIL with sources, click on my name.

  10. Ben says:

    I actually never think about people having anal sex. Well I seem to have a limited view on that on.
    Still it is easier to vaccine women, as they will get cancer.
    And actually doubt men are as eager to get a vaccination as women are. Just because they are much more into their own health.
    Hey I agree, it’d be best to vaccine em all, but then you may want to see, that it wont work out, as the vaccine has not yet been approved everywhere. So maybe it’d be better to tackle the problems where we can, not where we cant or rather not as well.

  11. Kristin says:

    Hey Stickdog, I’ll be sure and tell my friend who is dying of cervical cancer right here in the US because it was diagnosed late that you said cervical cancer isn’t deadly. I’m sure she’ll feel much better after that.

  12. Sean says:

    Cervical cancer has decreased in incidence and mortality because of vigilant diagnosis (with pap smears) and aggressive treatment, not becaus anything about the underlying rate of infection has changed. One point of vaccination is to eliminate the need for such surveillance, and for invasive procedures (cone biopsies etc) to treat pre-cancerous lesions.
    The other, and more important point, is that surveillance does occasionally fail, as Kristin’s story can attest. And no, it isn’t always the woman’s fault that she didn’t get a pap smear. Sometimes the rate of spread would have been too quick for regular surveillance anyway. CDC’s 2002 stats: 12085 cases, 3952 deaths.
    The study design you apparently think ideal would be unethical, since precancerous changes in the control group have to be treated according to the standard of care. That’s why no one died.
    In the interest of more rational argument, you also might want to compare the rates and costs of paps, colposcopies, biopsies, hysterectomies, etc to the cost of the vaccine.

  13. Mandy says:

    Merck has a history of fudging facts on research. They are being invetigated by the justice department for fraud regarding VIOXX.
    The research regarding Guardasil is scanty. None of the research was done in the United States. Merck only began testing this vaccine last Decemember in Japan. That study only involves a hundred girls.
    I don’t have a problem with making this vaccine available to all who feel that the gains associated with Guardasils ability to protect against two of the twelve forms of HPV far outweigh the risks associated with the fact that not much is known about the long term effects of Guardasil.
    Opt out is a cop out. Everyone who objects to their kid being used as test subject will be forced to check the box called religious objection. If the school does not have the parents opt out the girl may recieve the shot anyways.
    Scientists should be ethical. It is not ethical to compell girls ,using a heavy handed mandate, to participate in a pharmaceutical experiment.
    Also Guardasil only theoretically might stop cervical cancer. Guardasil only stops two forms HPV. This does not make Guardasil a cervical cancer vaccine. Cervical cancer is terrible but it is not a plague. It not contracted in a school classroom or during casual contact. Very few women contract cervical cancer. So basic human rights should not be thrown out the window over a vaccine for HPV.

  14. stephanie rosenbeck says:

    Thankyou Mandy, I couldn’t have said it better myself,I have a daughter that will turn 11 this year and I have no intention of using her as a test subject.But for these reasons you get called every name in the book and accused of not caring about your child. I love my child deeply and I’m not going to follow the trendy and vaccinate now and ask questions later. Ive seen alot of propaganda supporting this vaccine but nothing about the vaccine itself. Alot about cervial cancer but nothing about how the vaccine works, the tests involved in determining IF it works, or anything about long term effects.I mean how would they know if their subjects came in contact with hpv. Did they expose these women to it? not to mention the way pharmacuetical companies get their many drugs
    “approved” is questionable at best. The panel that makes these recomendations have been shown to have a vested interest in the said drug doing well on the market, which should be illegal but the FDA claims they need people associated with the products to give informed opinions.It all sounds really shady to me I don’t trust these companies as far as I can throw them because make no mistake about it their # 1 concern is for their shareholders profits. It wouldn’t be the first time they threw out negative test results cause they didn’t turn out the way they hoped. These jerk aren’t going to be happy til’ everyone in the world is taking some kind of pill they make.By the way I’m not a conservative christian, I am a believer in God and I’m perfectly aware that my child will have sex sooner or later probably before marraige but lets hope all the money we’re pouring into safe sex education will pay off just a little.

  15. ps2 says:

    been shown to have a vested interest in the said drug doing well on the market, which should be illegal but the FDA claims they need people associated with the products to give informed opinions.It all sounds really shady to me I don’t trust these companies as far as I can throw them because make no mistake about it their # 1 concern is for their shareholders profits. It wouldn’t be the first time they threw out negative test results cause they didn’t turn out the way they hoped. These jerk aren’t going to be happy

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